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So Osama is Dead...and People are Complaining
roycalbeck
Amazing.

I suppose I should say that it's mostly "the usual suspects" --- people who, for the last ten years or so, have accused the United States (and particularly Bush) of everything from creating a "Reichstag Fire excuse to destroy civil liberties" to "invading to seize the Afghan oil" (hint: there isn't any). And of course the 9/11 Truthers.

In large part, the current outcry seems to be a move to try and exonerate bin Laden (usually via one or more of the above routines) in order to claim that his killing was of an "innocent man" and that we should all REALLY HATE AMERICA for his death. To a lesser extent, there's a demand that there be no celebration or exultation because either/and:

A) No one should ever cheer for the death of another human being and you are horrible for doing so

B) Osama will just be replaced, so nothing's been accomplished

C) He's now a martyr, killing him just means Al Qaeda will REALLY get SERIOUS NOW and start blowing up half the planet.

At what point did people decide it was a bad thing to celebrate the death of someone who directed the hijacking of civilian jetliners in order that they be plowed into buildings full of civilians? How about those of these types who believe BUSH was the one who arranged it all --- the ones who want him put on trial, found guilty and hung from the neck until dead? Can we expect that they would actually treat the event of Bush's death (even from an accident, such as getting hit by a bus) as anything short of a reason to scream their joy to the heavens?

To me, all of this comes across as Extreme Sour Grapes. America can't be cheered for, even if Obama's in charge now and personally ordered the hit to go ahead, because it is now ingrained in them to hate anything America does in the Middle East. Admitting something good and right was done is anathema. It must be attacked, denied, because doing otherwise enters a grey area where America is Not Entirely Evil.

It is this disassociation from real facts, the promotion of preferred mythology over substance, that many of the same people are quick to assume on the part of their opposition, and which ironically helps feed their willingness to widen that disassociation on their own part.

It is like watching half the world slowly go mad with rage.


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It's a damned shame that our servicemen had to die to protect their rights.

I'm personally holding off on celebrating the death of the world's #1 supervillain (seriously, if Bin Laden DOESN'T qualify as a supervillain, who does?) until they release pictures of the body...After all superhero rule #1 says it clearly: "If you don't see the body, they aint dead!"

Fair enough. Me, I had chocolate cake and milk -:9

I'm just agog over the folks who are actively pissed-off that America actually pulled this off or who think we're being horrible for celebrating his death at all.

This is real life, not a comic book.

This is true, but the conspiracy theorist in me says that the combination of their reluctance to release pictures, as well as the ever-so-convenient 'burial at sea' raise some nice fat question-marks in my mind...

Al Qaeda is reacting as if Osama bin Laden was dead, issuing threats of retaliation and suchlike. Why would Al Qaeda cooperate with such a coverup? It would be more advantageous for them to produce OBL alive on videotape, mocking a failed attempt to get him.

No, OBL is dead.

I haven't seen any of this yet, but I haven't been looking too hard, either. I'm more on the lookout for the truther types to say that he isn't really dead, or that he's been dead for years and this is just a show to distract us from something else or get Obama re-elected.

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He started it!

That should be 'nuff said right there, right?

Good enough for Pearl Harbor (approx. 3000 dead US servicemen due to surprise military attack on a military base), good enough for New York (approx. 3000 dead civilians due to surprise terrorist attack on civilian buildings).

And for the record? We hunted down and killed Yamamoto, who masterminded the Pearl Harbor attack. Of course, that was a little easier since Yamamoto was a combatant who did not dress as a civilian, did not hide amongst civilians, and was actually on the front lines when he was shot down.

My LJ and twitter feeds were chock full of the following for about 12hours.

1.) He should have been taken alive

2.) Obama obviously had all the people celebrating bussed into DC and Ground Zero, they were all fake democrat operatives.

1) Apparently there was an intent to do so...but reports remain sketchy as to exactly what happened, particularly regarding whether Osama was armed or other people with him attempted to attack the strike team.

2) At this point, I wouldn't be able to tell whether that was someone who was deadly serious, or someone trying to make an ironic point about past claims of pro-Obama supporters being bussed in to various events.

2.) They were serious. They said people got there 'too fast' I suppose they don't know how fast twitter can shift news

Edited at 2011-05-03 09:04 pm (UTC)

Sounds like a combination of ignorance and/or wishful thinking. Some people just can't be happy when something good happens unless it's bad for someone they don't like.

In the vacuum of actual Debrief Intel on the operation...

I am convinced that if they could have taken Osama Bin Laden alive, they would have - they could have found a nice deep hole at Gitmo to lose OBL in till he decided to talk - or not. And they really blew it by putting out six versions of the story in 30 minutes, and bragging about the Intel they captured - which always backfires on them, Shut-Uppa Your Face already. Let the enemy guess at what intel you do or don't have, you don't tell them straight out.

But I'll betcha they didn't get a choice. OBL had those Bodyguards on site, one of whom put up some token resistance as the Seal Team was on the way in. And I'll bet that a big part of the Bodyguarding job was to make sure they could NOT take OBL alive. When all appears lost, your final task is to shoot OBL so he can't be forced to talk and can become a martyr. And if you can make it look like those heathen Americans were the ones that shot him, that's all the better.

Meaning they would likely be carrying captured rifles running NATO ball ammo, and for sidearms either M-1911 .45's or Glock 23 9MM's. So the kill slug might easily be mistaken for one of ours - especially if it was a through-shot with no bullet or identifiable fragments left in the body to match to a weapon.

But what do I know? I'm just a member of the Unwashed Public that can't think it through for myself. ;-)



We got him.
He's dead.
I'm happy.



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